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King914
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| Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread  Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:31 am | |
| i had to hit em with the ed lover Clutch C'MON SON | |
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lBrawnyemperoRl
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:33 am | |
| who said shinji's 86 is stock? it was mentioned that the upgrades shinji might have cant really be compared to the (partly race-spec) upgrades takumi has in his trueno by now | |
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Clutch927
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:35 am | |
| - BlAcK Kn1gHt 1 wrote:
- who said shinji's 86 is stock? it was mentioned that the upgrades shinji might have cant really be compared to the (partly race-spec) upgrades takumi has in his trueno by now
Think about there mechanic if we're going there bruh, with a mechanic like that you gotta have Godzilla under the hood | |
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lBrawnyemperoRl
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:38 am | |
| You mean the ösychic fat guy that likes to look into the future?  | |
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King914
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:40 am | |
| kubo was a professional race advisor enough said with the course knowledge, the type of fine tuning, and his statistics anybody like that could set up any car to match takumis 86 im not saying he was better then ryosuke but he had a hell of alot more experience which was his downfall undermining the competition | |
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lBrawnyemperoRl
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:46 am | |
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betadood
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:23 am | |
| Here is all the info releated to shinji that I have found. This is all from fuji taks translation so it could be subject to change if the translation was wrong. - Spoiler:
Shinji started driving before he got his license. His dad was a rally car racer who taught him a lot about driving before he died (including the no braking technique). Shinjis mom hates the no braking technique and wants shinji to drive normally when she is in the car sleeping coming back from work. (this is simillar to not spilling the water in the cup with takumi.). Shinjis 86 was very beat up before kubo found him so he repaired it before the race with project D. The only things we know he added to the car was a bucket seat and a roll cage. You could go out on a limb though and say shinjis father would not leave his 86 completly stock, so he might have 150HP, new suspension, and a LSD. Nothing major as far as 86 upgrades go. So his car was a little better than first stage takumis car but not by much, as course knowledge is the main reason he was doing so well against takumi.
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King914
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:29 am | |
| ^ thank you beta!!!!! the irony damn these rally drivers!! | |
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Mulchy
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:42 am | |
| Well it's still unfair considering Takumi has a Group A that can rev up to 12K before it blows, and has 240hp. But thats what i'm saying, whether Shunji had upgrades or not, Ryosuke and Bunta went out of their way to make sure the 86 was as mechanically advanced as possible. Like Beta said, he may only have 150hp, a new suspension and an LSD. Granted this is all speculation though. | |
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V19Triumph68V
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:34 am | |
| As many of us have learned though, sometimes power is really not the answer. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice power to get a competitive edge. For example, the Ryosuke vs Takumi battle when Ryo sacrificed horsepower to run better times. Right? | |
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KraZe
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:23 am | |
| But we all know that's bullshit though that was just Ryosuke trying to make the race fairer. As if removing 100hp from your car will make you faster on a touge that's 40% straightaways. | |
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lBrawnyemperoRl
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:36 am | |
| maybe it does if it balances the car out better then with 100hp more? | |
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V19Triumph68V
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:56 pm | |
| I'm with knight on this one... It's more about balance than pure power. | |
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bukkaz
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:04 pm | |
| It really depends on the course | |
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KraZe
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:05 pm | |
| *facepalm* Just because Ryosuke said that doesn't mean that was really the reason why. Since when does more horsepower = more weight?? Unless he swapped out his turbo for a smaller one there is literally NO advantage to detuning your car. | |
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V19Triumph68V
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:23 pm | |
| If i'm not mistaken, he did take out the turbo completely, thus shedding weight. Takumi also runs a heavier engine in his car than a stock 4AG, so he has a heavy 86 with aprx. 240HP, against a lighter 86 with 150HP, it wouldnt be THAT far apart of a match, and the lower powered one would be much easier to drive. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:32 pm | |
| - V19Triumph68V wrote:
- If i'm not mistaken, he did take out the turbo completely, thus shedding weight. Takumi also runs a heavier engine in his car than a stock 4AG, so he has a heavy 86 with aprx. 240HP, against a lighter 86 with 150HP, it wouldnt be THAT far apart of a match, and the lower powered one would be much easier to drive.
Nah, he didn't take the turbo out. On a course like Akina, that 100HP is invaluble, and the only valid reason I can come up with for removing horsepower from a car in a race is if you aren't skilled enough to control the car. Since we're led to believe that Ryosuke is extremely skilled, I don't think that was the problem. A car that has "balanced" horsepower only has the advantage of being easier to handle than a car with lots of power. I'd also like to see a source that confirms that Takumi's racing 4AGE is that much heavier than his stock blue top 4AGE, mainly because I know there isn't one. | |
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Obelisk
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:44 pm | |
| Actually, I just remembered something. The magna said the 86 had 150 HP right?
In the rematch battle between Takumi and Kyoichi, the 86 engine overheats during the battle and the speedometer at the time was reading 140 KMH (87.99 MPH). Now being the curious person that I am, I grabbed an 86 in Forza and put it at 148 HP and tested the top speed. It came out at 137 MPH or about 220.48 KMH.
Either Takumi was too angry to upshift or I'm wrong about the speedometer. | |
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betadood
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:01 pm | |
| Well he was trying to win pretty badly there, he was probably about to shift into 4th or 5th when the engine gave out. And besides forza has some messed up stats for a stock 86 anyway, the accel and top speed of a stock 86 in forza are more around 150 hp rather than 128 hp. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:04 pm | |
| It would be going into 5th gear. | |
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KraZe
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:25 pm | |
| - Obelisk wrote:
- Actually, I just remembered something. The magna said the 86 had 150 HP right?
In the rematch battle between Takumi and Kyoichi, the 86 engine overheats during the battle and the speedometer at the time was reading 140 KMH (87.99 MPH). Now being the curious person that I am, I grabbed an 86 in Forza and put it at 148 HP and tested the top speed. It came out at 137 MPH or about 220.48 KMH.
Either Takumi was too angry to upshift or I'm wrong about the speedometer. I just rewatched the first Evo III vs AE86 race in Second Stage, Battle Stage, AND the manga. At no point is there a speedometer shown to show his speed. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:34 pm | |
| I do recall a specific stage where the speedometer was shown, or the tachometer. | |
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betadood
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:36 pm | |
| Well if we are still going to use forza 4 as the testing grounds then a stock 86 (again actually 150 horsepower) can go 95 mph in 3rd gear. Add the fact that he was coming out of a corner, and I think it would be safe to assume it was actually 4th gear.
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:37 pm | |
| Probably. You're the 86 guy so I believe you. | |
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Mulchy
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| | Subject: Re: Initial D Discussion Thread Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:16 am | |
| SO GUYS, THERE"S RUMORS OF INITAL D GAIDEN O__o | |
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