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PostSubject: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:41 am

http://gamerant.com/forza-horizon-september-release-date-rumor-co-op/

Discuss.

If rumors are true, it'll probably stay true to its arcade styled racing game :/

Apparently T10 just now realized people are upset about weather and day conditions in FM5, -___-
I wouldn't be surprised if they made us pay for cars already designed in FM5

They'd probably need to fix their parts system, like have "adjustable" labeled parts that aren't adjustable and which half the time ends up working against you like the race transmission and the forza aero.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:23 am

My only problem with it is the small amount of cars. Also the inability to tune but it is something different from their normal games and I had fun with the last one. But I would prefer a game more like forza 4 with weather and night time.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:25 pm

So I'm guessing this is just forza horizon on the xb1
For shame t10
Also the game would not turn out as good as it should considering the window they have...

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:28 pm

Even still I think we all know Horizon's intent wasn't to be as "Sim" as Forza 4 was...

But, I do like the added weather effects, and who knows maybe it will be good. We are talking about a completely new system here.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:21 pm

This is the only reason I'd buy an X1, which I won't do currently. I love the original Forza Horizon to no end, and I think spending 680+ isn't really worth it. What they should do, if they release Horizon 2 this fall, is up production and lower the price point of the console and the games, and that could ramp up the amount of customers, or give them a higher profit margin. Just saying from an economic standpoint.
And frankly, they shouldn't offer DLC unless it's free. Microtransctions ruined the original for me because I had to shell out close to 65 dollars just for DLC alone on FH, and on top of that I had to get the dlc if I wanted to get all the achievements (Which I completed about a week or two ago--all 70)


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Prices too high, dlc should be free, better ways to get profit margins on Microsplat's part.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:22 pm

If anything I've just said seems stupid or off, point it out or ask me and I'll clarify.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:45 am

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If anything I've just said seems stupid or off, point it out or ask me and I'll clarify.
Everything you said is stupid and off, I'll do you a favor clarify everything.

I don't think you understand how business figures work.
The XBOX One sales are doing fine, the only ones who are complaining about the price are the people who don't have money.
Pricing isn't based on what the competition has to offer, they put time and effort in to production of the components that make the XBOX One and when the math is done, Microsoft will price their machine at a price that will produce profit.
And you can't complain about the Kinect being a burden, Microsoft wants to give game developers
for XBOX exclusive titles the opportunity to use the Kinect to its full potential since all owners will have one unlike the 360 users.
You probably don't know this but Microsoft as a company prior to producing the XBOX One was in a financial crisis and you want them to work harder and cut their pay?
Do you want to see Microsoft as a company crumble???

You are a complete moron if you think DLC should be for free...
DLC is normally released when the game sales are predicted to drop, or for exclusive content when the game is first released.
DLC comes at a production cost, meaning it takes money to produce it.
You will only see free DLC if its to promote something else...
What will T10 be promoting if all DLC is free? The game itself??
T10 normally releases a lot of content in one DLC package, a lot of content means a lot of production costs.
The video game sales produced by free DLC will almost never cover the cost of DLC production.

My argument about Forza DLC is that they make us pay for somethings we had in previous games.
For example, paying for for the 240SX in Horizon

I'm no business major, but thats the basics of business...
To sum it all up, all i got from your post is that your broke as fuck and you're complaining that things are too expensive.
Thats life kid, you have to pay to play.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:08 am

Mulchy wrote:
Even still I think we all know Horizon's intent wasn't to be as "Sim" as Forza 4 was...
Like the 5IRT fags who kept saying that Forza Horizon required real skill unlike FM4 LOL.

Mulchy wrote:
But, I do like the added weather effects, and who knows maybe it will be good. We are talking about a completely new system here.
Are you talking about how the game works or the console itself??
Horizon 2 will most likely be the same shit mix we see in FM4, FM5, and Horizon 1.
If you're talking about the console itself, yeah we have a new system so why the hell didn't we get that in FM5 where it really matters?
Its pretty dumb, T10 is going to give weather options to the fan base that doesn't give a shit about it lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:12 am

If anything relly its probably just going to be test drive unlimited 2 but with better graphics and physics
Not entirely sure about cars considering fm5

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:04 am

Koolaid wrote:
Obelisk wrote:
If anything I've just said seems stupid or off, point it out or ask me and I'll clarify.
Everything you said is stupid and off, I'll do you a favor clarify everything.

I don't think you understand how business figures work.
The XBOX One sales are doing fine, the only ones who are complaining about the price are the people who don't have money.
Pricing isn't based on what the competition has to offer, they put time and effort in to production of the components that make the XBOX One and when the math is done, Microsoft will price their machine at a price that will produce profit.
And you can't complain about the Kinect being a burden, Microsoft wants to give game developers
for XBOX exclusive titles the opportunity to use the Kinect to its full potential since all owners will have one unlike the 360 users.
You probably don't know this but Microsoft as a company prior to producing the XBOX One was in a financial crisis and you want them to work harder and cut their pay?
Do you want to see Microsoft as a company crumble???

You are a complete moron if you think DLC should be for free...
DLC is normally released when the game sales are predicted to drop, or for exclusive content when the game is first released.
DLC comes at a production cost, meaning it takes money to produce it.
You will only see free DLC if its to promote something else...
What will T10 be promoting if all DLC is free? The game itself??
T10 normally releases a lot of content in one DLC package, a lot of content means a lot of production costs.
The video game sales produced by free DLC will almost never cover the cost of DLC production.

My argument about Forza DLC is that they make us pay for somethings we had in previous games.
For example, paying for for the 240SX in Horizon

I'm no business major, but thats the basics of business...
To sum it all up, all i got from your post is that your broke as fuck and you're complaining that things are too expensive.
Thats life kid, you have to pay to play.

I'm not broke and I'm just trying to draw from my economics course. Just tell me, what is their cost of production for the console, and for the DLC?

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:34 am

Just saying... GT6 DLC is always free. On top of that free online. Mmm.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:35 am

^You were saying, Koolaid?

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:41 am

Koolaid didn't really say anything wrong. From what I can tell it's not that he thinks DLC shouldn't be free, it's that it CAN'T be free otherwise they'll lose a lot of money. But after playing Forza since FM2 and buying DLC in both FM3 and FM4 I can say I'm kind of sick of it now. I didn't complain about most of the DLC but the FM4 Porsche pack made me mad considering I was paying $20 for cars that were already in FM3. And the Horizon/FM5 DLC is even more ridiculous. There is a line where developers start to annoy and infuriate their customers and T10/Microsoft crossed it a while ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:43 am

KraZe wrote:
 And the Horizon/FM5 DLC is even more ridiculous.  There is a line where developers start to annoy and infuriate their customers and T10/Microsoft crossed it a while ago.
The horizon dlc's weren't that bad.
I have to say the horizon rally was pretty cool.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:45 am

Well, I can see that. I will say, Koolaid has a valid point. I just find games much better when the bonus content is free and can be played regardless of wallet size. Valve has made a killing like that, as well as with their ludicrous sales on their games. Really, what I've seen with paid DLC is thst they're taking advantage of a perfectly inelastic and infinite supply (For the DLC) and forcing the price point up to increase their revenue, when they overlook the willingness to pay of their buyers. After a certain point, they'll just lose all their customers because they'll force the price up too high.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:17 am

T10 might be using Horizon 2 (if its real, and also assuming its playground games making it again), to gain some much needed insight into day/night transition and weather effects. Since Playground games is made up of people who have worked for CodeMasters and various other dev studios, they have a bigger wealth of knowledge on those aspects for racing games. I cant see T10 themselves making Horizon 2, not when Dan has made it perfectly clear that there are expansions coming to FM5 as and when tracks are ready for release (seriously hope thats no BS from T10). Not to mention they have to get the car list back up to FM4 levels and beyond. T10 are also clearly going with a monthly game update schedule this time around, what with another content update on Tuesday that adds multiplayer replay saving into FM5, along with a few bug fixes.

As for the DLC issue, it takes T10 6 months to model a single car for use in an FM game, and 9 months+ to make a single track for FM. Yes it sucks that FM5 is so stripped down in content, but I am glad T10 went with an emphasis on quality over quantity. The DLC is still fairly priced, just as it has always been for a forza branded game. I personally dont mind having to buy the cars via DLC that where in FM4, they have been rebuilt for the X1 after all. As for Horizon 1 and its DLC car packs, from what I understand all the cars had to be changed and/or remodeled for use in the open world environment by PG games (and possibly even new licensing agreements for use in an open world game). I can only assume they needed to lower the poly counts, add in working lights and animations for pop up head lights, and a few other things. After all, the map in Horizon was far bigger than any singular track in FM4. not to mention in single player there where NPC traffic cars, which would only increase the load on the old hardware in the 360. As for the X1 there would be a good chance with T10 rebuilding the cars from scratch for FM5, that we could have a vastly bigger car list in a Horizon 2 by default. Im not going to say as big as FM4 or even FM5's reduced default car list, but very possibly bigger than Horizon 1's default car list. DLC is an optional thing though, and always has been. If you dont want it, you just dont buy it. I dont think for a second it should all be free though, but the occasional free DLC is always nice, and a good gesture to us customers. T10 have been known to give us the occasional free DLC cars from time to time.

Anyway I am hoping that Horizon 2 (should it be real and in production) will be better than Horizon 1 was, I felt it should and could have been a much better game. Ive owned Horizon twice for my 360, when it was first released, and before the X1 was released so that I could finish the SP mode and Rally expansion.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:38 am

I really have no interest in a Forza game unless it's FM6. And if it is I want my cars and tracks from FM4 back, and plenty of new features on top of that before i'll consider it.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:48 pm

Wow Obelisk, you seriously can't differentiate GT6 DLC and FM DLC???
You are horrible at economics, you are supposed to look at whats given, how much is given, time spent, and money limitations etc...

PD planned for their DLC for GT6 to be free, its all there listed yet unavailable until they release it.
You can't even compare the DLC from GT6 and FM, look at the amount of content that is released at one time.
You can clearly see why one is free and why the other is paid for...

Maybe thats why all the cars in GT sounds like complete shit, because they don't get funding to do so or its just not in their business plan...

When you tell someone to make something for free, there is little to no incentive to make it any better than what it already is unless its for charity, that means there is a huge possibility for a lack of quality.

Look at the both the quality and quantity of most of the DLC thru out Forza.
And look what they're doing now, they're bringing in real cars on dynos, taking trips to foreign countries to laser scan racing tracks, and modeling car interiors and exteriors to perfection.
Not to mention they'll even design a car thats been voted on by the community it self.

Now why does that sounds like the complete opposite of PD's plan with GT6?
Can you see why thats free and why we need to pay for shit in any other game??

Now if T10 wanted to release free DLC all the time, they'll only release what they can afford, probably only 1 car at a time cough cough GT6...

After comparing PD to T10 I don't need to know how much money both companies invested, when looking at the quality and quantity of the product, you can make a solid educated guess as to what costs more to produce

Oh yeah, i forgot, you lack a fuck ton of common sense, no fvcking wonder.

And Playstation adopted the paid subscription system unlike the endless money pit of psn.
Think about it, where does Sony source their money for server maintenance if every things free?
If it were not for Sony's other branches of business, PSN would cease to exist.

why does XBOX 360 online features better and never had a problem? because there is consistent funding ti fix problems and make the system better...

Now imagine PSN and XBL were a stand alone company, PSN would not be able to support itself unlike XBL.
Now they have adopted that in to PS+, thats good for everyone except for the broke ass idiots.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:04 pm

I was talking about both Koolaid. With a new system as powerful as it is, maybe Horizon will be larger, more detailed and come with better physics. We'll never know until the game comes out, even though it's highly unlikely that that it will be pushed toward simulator feel.

I just wish we could have FM5 physics and tuning in a free roam game such as Horizon. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:11 pm

^+1
I think forza horizon was a chance for people (I mean losers) who blamed tuning was the reason for their loss. In forza 4
In forza horizon those losers really got Nothin in their defense

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:49 pm

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I was talking about both Koolaid.  With a new system as powerful as it is, maybe Horizon will be larger, more detailed and come with better physics.  We'll never know until the game comes out, even though it's highly unlikely that that it will be pushed toward simulator feel.

I just wish we could have FM5 physics and tuning in a free roam game such as Horizon. Very Happy

I'm not saying Horizon 2 will not be better, I'm saying if we have a better system why haven't they considered weather conditions for or a built in the headlight system for night racing on FM5 even after so many people requested for it on the forums??
If they're capable of doing it in a wide open world why can they do it for 1 track...
Why is there rally racing available in Horizon 1 and not FM5??

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:14 pm

Because it's not a realistic portrayal of rally racing? If the physics ain't there then they don't belong on an FM title. As for night racing, I have no idea why. Shouldn't be THAT hard right?

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:40 pm

The physics are always there, if you set one rule on physics engine, and that rule should apply to everything.
How the car deals with the physics is where the problem should be, which is fixing the limitations a normal car then tuning it.

What your point states that if the current physics engine can't handle rally racing, then the whole engine is flawed.
But we all know the physics engine for racing is fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:41 am

Of course this shit happens again. I try to make a reasonable argument and someone freaking whales on me like I said somethimg offensive.

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PostSubject: Re: Rumored Forza Horizon 2   Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:43 am

Also, Koolaid, if you don't give a fuck about the PMs I've been sending you, then why are you even mentioning them?

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